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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/10/2001 1:37 am  
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  116.1  
 
A Comparison Between Christian Doctrine and Mormon Doctrine 
"Take up the Bible, compare the religion of the Latter-day Saints with it and see if it will stand the test" 
(Brigham Young, May 18, 1873, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 16, page 46.) 

Following is a comparison between Christian doctrine and Mormon doctrine. It will become very obvious that Mormonism does not agree with the Bible. In fact, Mormonism has simply used the same words found in Christianity and redefined them. But with a proper understanding of what Mormonism really teaches, you will be able to see past those definitions into the real differences between Christianity and Mormonism. 



The difference is the difference between eternal life and damnation.

Topic Christian Mormon 
GOD There is only one God (Isaiah 43:11; 44:6,8; 45:5)  "And they (the Gods) said: Let there be light: and there was light (Book of Abraham 4:3)
 
God has always been God (Psalm 90:2; Isaiah 57:15) "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!!! . . . We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. I will refute that idea and take away the veil, so that you may see" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345 
God is a spirit without flesh and bones (John 4:24; Luke 24:39) "The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's" (Doctrine and Covenants 130:22. Compare with Alma 18:26-27; 22:9-10) 
     "Therefore we know that both the Father and the Son are in form and stature perfect men; each of them possesses a tangible body . . . of flesh and bones." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 38). 
TRINITY The Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all the universe and that He exists in three, eternal, simultaneous person: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. "That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man." (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35.) 
JESUS Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Isaiah 9:6; Matt. 1:23) "The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood - was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 8: p. 115) 
     "Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers" (Mormon Doctrine," by Bruce McConkie, p. 547) 
Jesus is the eternal Son. He is second person of the Trinity. He has two natures. He is God in flesh and man (John 1:1, 14; Col. 2;9) and the creator of all things (Col. 1:15-17) Jesus is the literal spirit-brother of Lucifer, a creation. (Gospel Through the Ages, p. 15) 
THE
HOLY 
SPIRIT The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity. He is not a force. He is a person. (Acts 5:3-4; 13:2) Mormonism distinguishes between the Holy Spirit (God's presence via an essence) and the Holy Ghost (the third god in the Mormon doctrine of the trinity).
     "He [the Holy Ghost] is a being endowed with the attributes and powers of Deity, and not a mere force, or essence (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 144)  
SALVATION Salvation is the forgiveness of sin and deliverance of the sinner from damnation. It is a free gift received by God's grace (Eph. 2:8; Rom. 6:23) and cannot be earned (Rom. 11:6).  Salvation has a double meaning in Mormonism: universal resurrection and . . . 
     "The first effect [of the atonement] is to secure to all mankind alike, exemption from the penalty of the fall, thus providing a plan of General Salvation. The second effect is to open a way for Individual Salvation whereby mankind may secure remission of personal sins (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 78-79. 
Salvation (forgiveness of sins) is not by works (Eph. 2:8; Rom. 4:5; Gal. 2:21) "As these sins are the result of individual acts it is just that forgiveness for them should be conditioned on individual compliance with prescribed requirements -- 'obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.'" (Articles of Faith p. 79) 
BIBLE The inspired inerrant word of God (2 Tim. 3:16). It is authoritative in all subjects it addresses. "We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly. . ." 8th Article of Faith of the Mormon Church.  
 
  
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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/10/2001 1:38 am  
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This is only a sample of many of the differences between Christianity and Mormonism. As you can see, they are quite different doctrines. God cannot be uncreated and created at the same time. There cannot be only one God and many gods at the same time. The Trinity cannot be one God in three persons and three gods in an office known as the Trinity, etc. These teachings are mutually exclusive. 
This is important because faith is only as good as the object in which it is placed. Is the Mormon god the real one? Or, is the God of historic and biblical Christianity the real one? 
Mormonism is obviously not the biblical version of Christianity. It is not Christian and Mormons serve a different god than do the Christians -- a god that does not exist. Paul talks about this in Gal. 4:8, "when you did not know God, you were slaves to those which by nature are no gods." Only the God of the Bible exists. There are no others. Mormonism puts its faith in a non-existent god. 
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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/10/2001 10:25 am  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (3 of 19)  
 
  116.3 in reply to 116.2  
 
Excellent Post,
The Chart is a good way to see the Actual differences between Christianity and Mormonism.

Good point Faith is only as good as the Object of our faith.

God has made it Clear that He is the Only God. Revealed to humans as the Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit.

Isaiah 46:9,10 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, there is None like Me, Declaring the End from the Beginning, and from Ancient times the thing which are Not Yet Done, saying My counsel shall stand, and I will do All My Pleasure.

* One God, One Plan, One Cross, One Resurrection, One Redemption, One Salvation  Everything else, especially Mormonism is a fraud!






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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/10/2001 12:20 pm  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (4 of 19)  
 
  116.4 in reply to 116.3  
 
DAVID: 
God has made it Clear that He is the Only God. Revealed to humans as the Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit. 
RUSS: 
Amen! 
I guess for some folks, though David, it isn't all that clear....



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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/11/2001 1:02 am  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (5 of 19)  
 
  116.5 in reply to 116.1  
 
There is only one God (Isaiah 43:11; 44:6,8; 45:5)
  See Genesis 3:22.  To whom The Lord God speaking?  Which us has man become like?

  If you read the entire chapters of Isaiah, putting the individual verses you cite into their full context, you will find that they are condemnation of idolatry and worship of false-gods, rather than a clear statement of our God's own uniqueness and peerlessness.  Indeed, there is only one God to us, that we may rightfully worship, and there is only one Saviour to us.



God is a spirit without flesh and bones (John 4:24; Luke 24:39) 
  Luke 24:39 doesn't say this at all.  It's not clear, from reading John 4:24, that it means literally what you take it to mean.  It says those who worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth but I don't think anyone would take this phrase to mean that his worshippers do not have physical bodies.



The Trinity is the doctrine that there is only one God in all the universe and that He exists in three, eternal, simultaneous person: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
  Nowhere in the Bible is this teaching found.  This is not biblical at all, but is based on the Athanasian Creed, a blasphemous and apostate effort to reconcile Christianity with Greek philosphy and other heathen teachings.  In biblical acounts of Jesus' baptism, all three members of the Trinity are shown separately.  The voice of The Father spoke from heaven, saying This is my beloved son, in whom I am well pleased., while the Holy Ghost, in the form of a dove, and landed on Jesus.  See Matthew 3:1617,  Mark 1:1011,  Luke 3:2122).  Were there three separate beings, or was God putting on some kind of puppet and ventriloquism show?



Jesus was born of the virgin Mary (Isaiah 9:6; Matt. 1:23)
  This is exactly what Mormonism teaches.  I think I have adequately refuted your claim to the contrary in this other thread.



The Holy Spirit is the third person of the Trinity. He is not a force. He is a person. (Acts 5:3-4; 13:2)
  I was not previously aware of any use by Mormons of the term Holy Spirit to mean anything differently than Holy Ghost.  The quote by Talmage is not authoritative nor doctrinal, so I'd need to have this from a source that is.  I do know that in our Bible Dictionary, the entry for Holy Spirit merely says See Holy Ghost. which implies that the two terms have the same meaning.  The Bible Dictionary,, while not as authoritative as the Bible itself, is considered authoritative and doctrinal in a manner which third-party writings such as those of Talmage are not.  Based on what information I have thus gathered so far, I must conclude either that Talmage was mistaken, or else he is being misquoted here, or his quote taken out of context in order to mislead the reader as to its intended meaning.



Salvation is the forgiveness of sin and deliverance of the sinner from damnation. It is a free gift received by God's grace (Eph. 2:8; Rom. 6:23) and cannot be earned (Rom. 11:6).
  I think you will have to admit that this is not a true and complete representation of Salvation, even as believed in by mainstream Christians.  At the very least, you must admit that there are two levels of Salvation at least.  Because Jesus overcame death, so will we all overcome death.  All of us, though we may die, will eventually be resurrected.  Is this not what you believe, and is this not a level of salvation?  Is this not also a different level of salvation than that which will be determined by God's judgement of each of us?  Those who go to Heaven, are they not receiving a higher level of Salvation than those who do not?



Salvation (forgiveness of sins) is not by works (Eph. 2:8; Rom. 4:5; Gal. 2:21)
  Matthew 7:1623,  James 2:1426



The inspired inerrant word of God (2 Tim. 3:16). It is authoritative in all subjects it addresses.
  Please go and read the actual passage which you just cited.  It does not say what you say it says.  What it says is that All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.  It says nothing to the effect that a particular collection of scripture, which would not exist as such until long after this was written, would be complete, would be inerrant, or would obviate the need for further scripture and revelation.  It is merely a statement about the purpose and origin of scripture  nothing more.

  The Bible contains proof of its own incompleteness.  Just as an example, see Joshua 10:13 and 2 Samuel 1:18.  These passages make reference to the book of Jasher.  This is a book that should be in the Bible.  Where is it?  It's gone.  Lost.  We do not have it.  This is a part of the Bible that is missing.  I'd post links to a couple of pages which give more examples and details, but David would only censor them.



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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/11/2001 1:11 am  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (6 of 19)  
 
  116.6 in reply to 116.5  
 
Email me the links, I welcome them. 
I am also quite impressed with your posts but, you are either so wrapped in the Mormon cult that even the slightest bit of reality to the gospel is of no use to you. 
I had hoped that by posting some info, you might begin to question your choice of church but I can see now, you are lost to God. 

I know how condescending this may sound but it is meant not to be and that is I am going to simply pray that God would lead you to HIS truth, not mine.



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  From:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   7/11/2001 1:39 am  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (7 of 19)  
 
  116.7 in reply to 116.6  
 
Blood_Bought (RFI1965) wrote:
but, you are either so wrapped in the Mormon cult that even the slightest bit of reality to the gospel is of no use to you.
  I went to all the trouble to research and refute your posting, point-by-point, and that's the best response you can come up with?  No effort at all to address or refute any of the points I've made?  If you can't respond to any of my specific points, then I'm going to take that as a concession that I am correct in the points that I have made, and that you were wrong in making the claims which I was refuting.



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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/11/2001 1:52 am  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (8 of 19)  
 
  116.8 in reply to 116.7  
 
Take it any way you like. 
The INTENTIONS that were in my heart were to bring you to a better understanding of God, Jesus and the bible....YOU however, are looking for a debate... 
Read 2 Tim. 2:23-26



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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/11/2001 8:29 am  
To:  Bob Blaylock (Bob_Blaylock)   (9 of 19)  
 
  116.9 in reply to 116.5  
 
Bob,
You constantly use Mormon Smoke and Mirror to answer other posts The Holy Spirit is the Holy Ghost. There is no controversy as to the Holy Spirit being the Holy Ghost. Yet you completely avoided the Statement that the Holy Ghost is God, as you attempt to claim that the Triune  Trinity God is unbiblical.

Only God is Holy, therefore God has chosen to Call Himself Holy Ghost/Spirit!

Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came (after the Cross & Resurrection) and spoke unto them, saying, All power is given unto Me in Heaven and in Earth. Go ye therefore, and Teach All Nations, Baptizing them in the Name of the Father, and of the Son (Jesus), and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to Observe ALL things whatsoever I have commanded you: and Lo I am With You Always, Even Unto the End of the World. Amen.

Mormonism Collapses in just these three verses. Jesus is with His Church Always. The Church has never become Apostate as the Mormons claim. Mormons are the Apostate. The Disciples teach ALL things that Jesus has said. Mormons teach All things that Joseph Smith has said. The Apostles are the Disciples of Jesus. The American Joseph Smith from the 1800s was not a disciple of Jesus in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago.

Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one (Christian) body, and one (Holy) Spirit, even as you are called in one Hope (Jesus/Heaven) of your calling; one Lord (Jesus), on (Christian) Faith, one Baptism, one God and Father of all (Christians), who is Above All. And Through all, and In you (Born Again/Christians) All.

One Baptism Three names  Father, Son (Jesus), Holy Spirit; One God. We are Baptized into God, the Triune God of the Father, Jesus, Holy Spirit.

Bob, is the Holy Spirit, God?
Bob, is Jesus, God?
Bob, is the Father, God?
Bob is Satan, God?





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  From:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   7/11/2001 11:32 am  
To:  David (DavidABrown)    (10 of 19)  
 
  116.10 in reply to 116.9  
 
Ephesians 4:4-6 There is one (Christian) body, and one (Holy) Spirit, even as you are called in one Hope (Jesus/Heaven) of your calling; one Lord (Jesus), on (Christian) Faith, one Baptism, one God and Father of all (Christians), who is Above All. And Through all, and In you (Born Again/Christians) All. 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 
My Bible says... 
4: There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call, 5: one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6: one God and Father of us all, who is above all and through all and in all. 

The King James says... 
4: There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5: One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 
6: One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. 

Funny, neither of them are specific with the ()'s you have in there. 

If you are going to use a quote to justify, does it truly need clarification then? The part you quote from Matthew about being after the resurection doesn't hurt, but stating that the son is Jesus is a bit overpronounced and not direct. Either way it illustrates another point about putting Jesus before God. 

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  From:  David (DavidABrown)    7/11/2001 11:48 am  
To:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   (11 of 19)  
 
  116.11 in reply to 116.10  
 
Point well taken! 
In posting a Scripture Verse which is usually a part of a bigger sentence - statement and therefore a bigger Idea, I try to keep the clarification, Especially with the Pronouns. 

It is not an attempt to say that others cannot read. I consider that some do not have a Bible handy to reference and therefore I want to make my point as Clear as possible. 

Also having my comments {in line} helps for clarification and when people disagree, the disagreement can more easily be pinpointed, since some disagreements come from a single word. 






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  From:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   7/13/2001 4:33 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (12 of 19)  
 
  116.12 in reply to 116.8  
 
<<Yeshua haMashiach>> 
The man's name is Jozhua Bar-Joesef, twit. 

Not Jesus, not Yeshua, not Jesaia, not Christ, not haMashiach, not Salvator, but Jozhua BarJoesef IshBethlehem, how do you expect us to listen if you can't even get the friggin' name right? 


 
  
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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/13/2001 4:38 pm  
To:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   (13 of 19)  
 
  116.13 in reply to 116.12  
 
Do you speak Hebrew? 
No, of course not. 
Yeshua means Jesus. 
haMashiach means the Messiah. 

Thank you for your personal attacks. I count that as more blessings from God. Your empty meaningless dribble is only laughable, not insulting.



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  From:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   7/13/2001 5:38 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (14 of 19)  
 
  116.14 in reply to 116.13  
 
I'd attack your god, but I'm still waiting for a lightning bolt to strike me. (I walked outside once and yelled that if he wanted me to believe in him, he should make a single leaf fall from any tree in my street, for the first time in months, not single leaf fell, and a since that day, I am convinced God doesn't want me to believe in him, and I always say, if he does he should strike me with lightning.) 
By the way, I live in the Netherlands, that may not say much to you, but the Jews nickname it "the Juda of the west" (Amsterdam being the official capitol of western Judesm and the Amstel (the river running trough Amsterdam) is called the Jordan of the west. we use more Hebrew in our language than most modern Jews can speak (outside of prairs and such). Don't tell me I don't know Hebrew, or you WILL be sorry :P 




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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/13/2001 5:39 pm  
To:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   (15 of 19)  
 
  116.15 in reply to 116.14  
 
I'm convinced I don't care. 
  
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  From:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   7/13/2001 5:47 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (16 of 19)  
 
  116.16 in reply to 116.15  
 
Nope, Christians only want to hear pro-christian arguments, all else is no doubt a ruse created by Satan .... 
I'm not talking about existance, I know God exists, but I'm talking about belief.


 
  
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  From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/13/2001 5:51 pm  
To:  Natureboy (Vamp_Rob)   (17 of 19)  
 
  116.17 in reply to 116.16  
 
What you are talking about in this forum is nonsense and you are here to do no more than to cause and stir up strife. This will be my last post to you. You are also locked out of my forum.



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  From:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   7/13/2001 6:10 pm  
To:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   (18 of 19)  
 
  116.18 in reply to 116.17  
 
What you are talking about in this forum is nonsense and you are here to do no more than to cause and stir up strife. This will be my 
last post to you. You are also locked out of my forum. 
-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 

Wow, what maturity! 

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   From:  Blood_Bought (RFI1965)   7/13/2001 6:12 pm  
To:  Al Kupone (Kupone)   (19 of 19)  
 
  116.19 in reply to 116.18  
 
***takes a bow*** 
Thanks, Al!



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